lorelei01 ([info]lorelei01) wrote,

16th Century for Manly Men

So I've been trying to be productive.  There's an event coming up this weekend called Boar's Den, and it's kinda loosely themed around Venetian courteseans... kind of like Dangerous Beauty.  Or at least that's my understanding of it.  Anyways, my kind of theme!  ^_^  My husband hasn't had anything new in a while.  I started thinking about the last time I made something for him.. and ::ahem::.. it's been eight years.  In my defense, after a large bit of drama in a previous kingdom, he decided to stop playing for a while.  Then he went to grad school and was much too busy to do any eventing.  But, he's interested in playing again because I said how nice everyone was here, but he has nothing to wear.  He also couldn't seem to figure out what he wanted, so I'm making him match me timeline wise till he figures out what he wants.  Plus I'm already well researched in this time period!  Bonus! 

So, I'm not sure about you, but I often have guys say that they won't do "late period" because it's not manly.  Well I have a great big :-P for you!  It can too be manly! 

The base of this outfit is similar to this fresco in the Villa Barbaro Maser done by Veronese in 1560-61.  I have to say, having done some painting, it is astounding that he managed to finish the sheer amount of paintings that he did in this villa in a one year time frame. O_o  I wish I were half as productive. 

Mike's doublet is out of a shot sage green silk that I have done trapunto and slashing on.  I slashed on the bias for minimal fraying. ::crosses fingers::  It's interlined and lined with a brown silk that shows through the slashings a bit as you move the fabric.  It has a small peascod belly (don't tell him... let's see if he notices), and I'm going to do the buttons out of large pearls as I don't have the time to do the cool thread wrapped ones.  Though they might get replaced at a later date.

The pants are out of a dark gray cotton velvet and I've edged the knee and side slit in a silver silk.  I don't have access to a scanner at the moment, but you'll have to take my word that in addition to this picture where the pants button up the front, they also have side fastenings sometimes.  His are going to fasten on the sides with three large buttons.  The hat will be out of the same dark gray cotton velvet, and if I have time (LOL) I'll make him a half circle cloak out of the same lined with gold silk.

I was thinking of slashing the silk lining the cloak too, to make little bursts.  Um, lemme see if I can recreate it in ASCII:

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Yeah, like that.  Though picture them at 45 degree angles.  I ordered some cloth of gold and cloth of silver silk for really cheap.  Which sounded awesome.  I have other silk/metal weaves and love them.  These two though... ended up looking like silk lamè.  Esza, Aurelia, and I have renamed it the lame lamè.  But, it would be great to interline a cloak with and peek through the slashing.  Add a little bit of sparkle without the overwhelming urge to vomit. I think I'll use the silver one in his cloak and the gold one in mine (mine is kind of a caramel cotton velvet with a raspberry lining). 

I have some amazing silk brocade in tan and sage green with a very 16th century looking pomegrante motif.  It's really a rather manly brocade.  I'm going to make a jerkin out of that... though there's no way it's going to be finished for this weekend.  I've come to terms with that.  It's ok.  I even found some sage and gold shot silk to line it in.  It'll be so awesome when it's done.  Maybe by Estrella.  ::shrugs::  I'll have to have him come stand next to my display for the Artisan's Showcase ;D lol

Here's the doublet in progress.  I'll try to get pictures of the pants posted later this week.
doublet backdoublet front

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[info]operafantomet

January 19 2010, 08:59:36 UTC 2 years ago

Oooh! Oooh! Looks awesome so far. Love what you've done with the doublet fabric, and the colour look very right.

What the man wears in that fresco is a hunting outfit, and it might possibly be of Veronese himself. I've been to the Villa Barbaro (and almost died of joy....), and in the main axis of the house there is lots of rooms connected from one end to the other. As far as I remember, the hunter was painted in one end of the house, while a beautiful woman was painted in the other end. They both appear to enter from a door, and they're facing eachother - only they're very far apart. This is the woman:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/operafantomet/renaissanceportraits/venezia2/veronese1560elena.jpg

I had a hard time digging up her. The man is everywhere, because many has interpreted it as a self portrait of Veronese. The woman, on the other hand... By the help of a wonderful librarian, I finally found a colour version, though. You can see that the doors opening in the background and the horizon appears to be the same. Their pose is also similar, with the heads tilted, and them both carrying a stick (or in her case, a flag fan).

The woman has been interpreted as Veronese's mistress, and why not. The villa decorations are a mixture of profane and sacred themes, with lots of trompe de l'oeil features. It wouldn't be an unfitting interpretation, but for all I know it might also be a pun of some sort. Or it might just be a random man and woman. Whatever the case, it's a beautiful feature in an astonishing villa.

[info]operafantomet

January 19 2010, 09:05:53 UTC 2 years ago

PS - his mistress was called Elena Badile, and was the daughter of his first master. They married in 1565, and got five children.

[info]lorelei01

January 19 2010, 18:24:57 UTC 2 years ago

Have I mentioned lately how awesome you are? Thank you so much for sharing all that! It was a fascinating read! I ran across the Villa Barbaro when I was trying to figure out who the mysterious Bella Nani was. I don't remember her real name, but I remember that the rabbit hole lead me back to her being the wife of someone important (ambassador I believe) and they lived in the Villa Barbaro. Then I learned that Veronese did all the frescos and just about fainted ;D So jealous! I would really love to see that house! It looks absolutely stunning in the pictures.

[info]operafantomet

January 20 2010, 09:47:58 UTC 2 years ago

Well, this is my field, and if I don't get to discuss the knowledge with others, what's the point of knowing it? Besides, I love hearing other people's thoughts on Renaissance art and clothes.

I think I know what you're referring to in that "Bella Nani" portrait. The woman looks really similar to the lady of the house at the Villa Barbaro. In the rooms connected (described above) there's a room in the middle which has Barbaro family members up in the ceiling; the lady of the house being the most famous one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/operafantomet/renaissanceportraits/venezia2/veronese1561.jpg

Next to her is a nurse/elder maid, and across the room is three sons plus... erm, a monkey, I think. The roof shows Olympic gods, which has given the room its name "Sala dell' Olimpo". Not all are confident with the attribution of it being family members, but most seem to accept it, and it's also what the official Villa Barbaro site tells ( http://www.villadimaser.it/it/sale-affrescate/5-sala-dellolimpo ). If it's right, the lady in blue should be Giustina Giustiniani, wife of ambassador Marc'antonio Barbaro (which had the Villa Barbaro built at Maser together with his brother Daniele)

As for the Bella Nani (alt. "La Belle Nani"), the name might not be accurate. From the book "Private lives in Renaissance Italy": The painting takes its name from a portrait seen by Marco Boschini in Ca' Nani in 1660, but there is no evidence that this is the same work. The lady's pearl necklace and bound hair suggest that she is a recent bride" (page 70).

The name of the portrait was applied to the portrait some 100 or 150 years after it was painted, based on the description a man gave of a Veronese portrait of a Nani family member. But the description is too generic to be specific for the "Bella Nani", and doesn't even say if the portrait is of a man or a woman...

As for the Bella Nani and the Giustina fresco showing the same lady... Well, that's up to interpretation. I myself see a definitive similarity between them, with blue eyes, fair hair in approx. the same hairdo, and similar pearl necklace. I also find it interesting that both portraits show cutwork sleeves, which isn't a too common sight (I've seen five different Venetian depictions of it; three being by Veronese and two by his pupil Fasolo).

And yeah, the Villa Barbaro is probably the most amazing inside of a building I've ever seen (next to Pantheon, he-he). So much beauty in one place. And so delicate, so creative, so... Veronese. hey just don't make 'em like that any more...

[info]peteyfrogboy

January 19 2010, 11:01:40 UTC 2 years ago

Yay for awesome boy clothes! I don't understand the whole macho aversion to fancy clothes, but that looks like a good gateway outfit to ease people in with.

[info]lorelei01

January 19 2010, 18:27:03 UTC 2 years ago

Thanks :D My guy is awesome and always likes the clothes that I make him (he's not adverse to the fancy), but I'm trying to make an outfit that people will see and go "hey, I want to do 16th century Italian stuff too!" A gateway outfit is the perfect description. lol ^_^

[info]moira_ramsay

January 19 2010, 17:08:37 UTC 2 years ago

I look forward to seeing the process and the finished product!

YAY!

[info]lorelei01

January 19 2010, 18:27:24 UTC 2 years ago

Thanks! Wish me luck! The event is Saturday.. O_o

[info]moira_ramsay

January 19 2010, 20:26:02 UTC 2 years ago

WOW - I would be sweating that kind of deadline. I've done stuff on a short turn time, but not to that level of detail.

I really look forward to seeing more of your work.

Veronese is one of my favorite artists.
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